Sunday 23 September 2012

Games Day 2012 - News, Rumours and Information (Part 2 - Morning Forge World Seminar)

For other news and rumours from Games Day, please go here.

Tony started off with the usual introduction stating that he would provide the usual mix of tasters, advance information, truth and outright lies. There was so much stuff to talk about that he entirely skipped the usual adverts for stuff they were selling at this event due to the amount of new stuff.

Warhammer Forge
The next book will be "Battle of Blackfire Pass". It will probably be released next year. It has been slightly delayed due to the focus on other new stuff. The book will focus on Orcs & Goblin, Dwarves, Empire and Monsters.

A picture was shown of the Mourngul - a big half body, large mount and long arms. One of the arms is grabbing a horse as it runs along. This was sculpted by Edgar. The model was also on display somewhere, so if someone hasn't got a picture of this, then the internet has roundly failed.

Steve Whitehead has sculpted some Empire Command models. Edgar has sculpted some Dwarf Command models including a pipe smoker. Tony approves of this, and thinks there should be more pipe smoking models in general. His idea for pipe smoking Marines was shot down by Mr Bligh.

A battle standard bearer from the Goblin command section by Keith was shown off.

And that was it for Fantasy. Apparently there's quite a lot going on in 40K at the moment! (Although there was one new artist there for Warhammer Forge for whom Games Day was her first day. Here's wishing her the best of luck!)

Forgeworld - Warhammer 40K

Imperial Armour, Volume 1, Second Edition: Imperial Guard.
Aiming for Christmas. Imperial Navy is removed from the book and moved to the Imperial Aeronautica entirely. The new book will cover the entire Forgeworld Imperial Guard vehicles range and include updated rules for all of them for 6th edition. Much of the artwork and pictures will be existing ones, but it will provide a single location for everything!

Imperial Armour 12: "Fall of Orpheus".
Necrons, Minotaurs, Death Korps of Kreig.

Models shown:
  • Necron Sentry Pylon - still work in progress, but a much smaller pylon than the current one
  • Necron Tesseract Ark - mock up shown. "Some sort of tank thing"
  • Necron Night Shroud Bomber - mock up shown, will be based on the existing flier plastic kit
There will be a new Lightning Fighter sculpted by Darren, replacing the old one. If you like the old one, buy it now. It will be resin, not plastic as speculated entirely randomly and without any support whatsover by a poster on a forum somewhere.

Horus Heresy Book 1: "Betrayal"

They decided to start with Istvaan III rather than going any earlier.

Models shown:

  • Legion Heavy Support Squads - two squads shown, one with Heavy Bolters and one with Autocannons. Five men with heavy weapons in each squad.
  • Death Guard Relic Contemptor Dreadnought
  • World Eaters Relic Contemptor Dreadnought
Also shown were some Legion specialist models - including one with a hand flamer and another with lightning claws. They also intend to do some legion specific models.

  • Legion Champion
  • Legion Master of Signal

  • Some early work was also shown for some Mechanicum Thallax, which are about Ogryn sized, and Alan Bligh described as "Mechanical Killer Ogryns with Giant Ray Guns". How can that go wrong? This was very early work - the sculpting for a main body and maybe head and that was about it.

    Then came the good stuff. They showed the picture for the Sons of Horus Justaerin Terminators. They were absolutely gorgeous and there were actually involuntary noises from the room, even after all the awesome stuff shown before.

    The bodies will come separately, and will be compatible with the Cataphract arms, but will come with a few of their own special arms, such as a power axe and a Multi-melta arm.

    They are working on a duel model for Ezekyle Abaddon vs Garviel Loken. Loken is not done yet and there was a stand in figure in place for him, hence the focus on Abaddon, who was mostly done.

    Horus Heresy Book 2: "Massacre"

    This will cover the first part of the Istvaan V campaign - but they noted that this was so big that they are going to have to cover it in two books!

    It will have 4 legions in it, and Mechanicum forces. There will be new vehicles and more characters (which is, admittedly, like saying it will have pages, but Tony said it so I wrote it).

    Legions covered will be the Iron Hands Legion, the Night Lords Legion, the Word Bearers Legion and the Salamanders Legion. The other 3 Legions involved won't be in Book 2, but a future one.

    Question and Answer section

    We then moved on to the question and answer session. Rather than cover the questions verbatim, I noted down broad strokes of what was asked, as we're mostly interested in the answers!

    They do exist in the Mechanicum and some Marine Legions. They probably won't be made available to all Legions, but some legions, such as (I believe he said Thousand Sons) are known to have them.

    Custodes & Sisters of Silence?
    They will do them eventually. They know they will need them for Prospero.

    They will do all the Primarchs at least once. Apart from possibly Leman Russ just to wind up the Space Wolves players. He then corrected to say all KNOWN Primarchs. Alan Bligh chipped in to say that where Primarchs significantly change over the course of the Heresy, they would look to do multiple models.

    Was doing the Primarchs scary?
    They were very fussy when doing Angron to make sure he was done right. They were super careful. They had long discussions about every flourish of armour and detail - it took months to do!

    Will you do Mechanicum and the Battle for Mars?
    They can't avoid it! A huge number of things happen over a very short time frame in canon, so it will take a while to cover it all.
    They will not completely mirror the Black Library, but rather focus on the battles, which is where the focus of the models is likely to be.

    Will the Heresy books mean less of other things?
    They are dedicating some people to the Horus Heresy specifically, and are expanding the Design Team. They are still on the look out for more staff to make sure they don't neglect a particular area. They know they would probably have Imperial Armour 12 and / or Black Fire Pass done now if not for the Horus Heresy.

    Obligatory paranoid question about Finecast
    Diplomatic answer saying that they will use the best resins and processes for the job in question, with different resins and techniques for different jobs / types of model. In short, no, they aren't going to move over to Finecast, they're going to continue to do whatever Tony wants as long as they make money.

    What are Forgeworld doing for Xenos?
    Alan stepped in and said that they are focussing on Necrons for Imperial Armour 12. The Necrons turn off a sun in it. Its about an entire sector being under atttack. They want to make sure that each of the Xenos have their own Forgeworld book, but it takes a lot of resource for each and they want to do them properly.
    (Editor's Note: Last year, Tony mentioned that the organic and curved shapes of the Dark Eldar were very hard work to do and took a disproportionate amount of time compared to, say, an Imperial tank).

    They went on to say that they have been working on Horus Heresy for over a year. (Which does mean they outright lied last year when they said there were no plans whatsoever, but that's fine, he does announce he's going to lie at the start of these things. I think a year of them planning with no visible models would have driven the entire internet completely and utterly insane!)

    What about doing more obscure stuff?
    They want Forge World to add depth to what's already there. They don't want to do totally new stuff. There may be things already mentioned in the background that they feel now should have their time in the limelight, but they won't be creating something new whole cloth. (This was a bit of a question side step given the original question covered some pretty specific bits of fluff. Unsure if this was avoiding the question, or covering for a lack of encyclopedic knowledge of that particular bit of obscure background.)

    What about the rest of the Mournival?
    Loken and Abaddon are in the first Horus Heresy book, but it will be possible that they'll look to do the rest at some point.

    Alan pointed out that they will also be adding some other new characters as well as the ones from the novels. They need to do so to address some lopsided areas. They want to take their time over this in order to do it justice.

    Have they discontinued Epic?
    They aren't planning on doing any more in the imminent future. They're at or slightly beyond their capacity already, and they won't add anything new to that range at present.

    Dark Elves for Warhammer Forge?
    Don't hold your breath, but they do intend to do them at some point in the future.

    Bran Redmaw?
    No plans at present. They didn't like the draft model. He's on the schedule but keeps slipping down it due to Other Things. The Space Wolves might get Leman Russ first! Tony then mentioned Mark Wells, the CEO, is a Space Wolves player, so perhaps he'll not do Leman Russ to wind up Mark. If Tony gets fired, this is probably why!

    Imperial Army for Horus Heresy?
    More than possible. They will probably focus on a specific slice of it rather than the wider setting - so they will probably look at specific regiments or warzones.

    After discussions with the Black Library writers, there seems to be agreement that "Stormbird" is more a class of assault lander rather than a specific transport.

    There was then a small diversion where they talked about how they try and work with Black Library to make their works complementary rather than in isolation. There were only a few plagiarism jokes from Alan.

    New Titan variants?
    Tony said that the original idea for Titans was that there were a huge number of variants - not the 3 or 4 which have ended up remaining - the Warhound, Reaver, Warlord and, peripherally, the Emporer class. He would definitely like to do it, but as Epic never managed to expand that far, and Forge World still haven't done the Warlord yet, there's probably still a good way to go.

    Horus Heresy models for Malcador, Grammaticus & Malagast?
    They've discussed this and may do them as event only models, as they don't have much battlefield presence. They think this would probably suit the level of demand and mean that no-one was too badly disadvantaged by not having one if they couldn't make an event.

    Any chance of Mechanicus Knights for Horus Heresy?
    They have their place, but that probably isn't the next book.

    Warhammer - Kislev?
    Possibly, but there's a ton of more major stuff they would want to do first. They hope to do it one day but won't be for a while.

    Daemon Primarchs?
    They will come later. There's a lot in the early phases, so they won't come out for a long while yet.

    Blake is now making terrain full time. He's just done the 4 cityscape boards, and will be working on a Necron board next. He will be using the new hollow cast process they've been using on new terrain pieces.

    Will Horus Heresy use the Gothic Range for space battles?
    Like Epic, unlikely for a good while yet - they need a good excuse.

    The Emperor and Thunder Warriors?
    The Thunder Warriors are not an army and are not key to the time period. They can't keep going back in history, or they'll get to the point where they hit World War II! The Emperor is not unfeasible, as eventually he needs to have a bit of a fight with this Horus chap.

    Can you do a Lascannon and Twin-linked plasma gun Razorback turret?
    "Go talk to Will Hayes. We know its missing."

    And with that, the seminar was over. Hope this is helpful!


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      I've already linked this article since the end of the games day uk. ^^

      1. I would be happy for you to translate the report for your website. All I ask is that you provide a link to my original article, and let me know which website yours is.


      2. Hi !
        Here is the link of my website :
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        And to the Games Day UK where you'll find the link to your blog :